Legislature(2001 - 2002)

02/06/2001 12:15 PM Senate RES

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
                         JOINT MEETING                                                                                        
               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                        February 6, 2001                                                                                        
                           12:15 p.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE RESOURCES MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Drew Scalzi, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Hugh Fate, Vice Chair                                                                                            
Representative Joe Green                                                                                                        
Representative Mike Chenault                                                                                                    
Representative Lesil McGuire                                                                                                    
Representative Gary Stevens                                                                                                     
Representative Mary Kapsner                                                                                                     
Representative Beth Kerttula                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE RESOURCES MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Beverly Masek, Co-Chair                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATE RESOURCES MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator John Torgerson, Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Robin Taylor                                                                                                            
Senator Kim Elton                                                                                                               
Senator Georgianna Lincoln                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATE RESOURCES MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Drue Pearce, Vice Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Rick Halford                                                                                                            
Senator Pete Kelly                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
Representative Ken Lancaster                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Wilken                                                                                                             
Senator Loren Leman                                                                                                             
Senator Donny Olsen                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
MINING INDUSTRY BRIEFING                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
STEVEN BORELL, Executive Director                                                                                               
Alaska Miners Association, Inc.                                                                                                 
3305 Arctic Number 202                                                                                                          
Anchorage, Alaska  99503                                                                                                        
POSITION STATEMENT:  Gave an overview on Alaska minerals.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
RON PLANTZ, Human Resources and Safety Manager                                                                                  
Kennecott Greens Creek Mining Company                                                                                           
P.O. Box 32199                                                                                                                  
Juneau, Alaska  99803                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:  Gave an overview of the production at                                                                      
Greens Creek.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DAN GRAHAM                                                                                                                      
Usibelli Coal Mine, Inc.                                                                                                        
P.O. Box 1000                                                                                                                   
Healy, Alaska  99743                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Gave an overview on the financial and                                                                      
environmental impact of the Usibelli Coal Mine on Alaska.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
TOM IRWIN, General Manager                                                                                                      
Fort Knox Mine                                                                                                                  
Fairbanks Gold Mining Company                                                                                                   
Number 1 Fort Knox Road                                                                                                         
P.O. Box 73726                                                                                                                  
Fairbanks, Alaska  99707                                                                                                        
POSITION STATEMENT:  Gave a PowerPoint presentation regarding                                                                   
the Fort Knox Mine.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
KARL HANNEMAN, Alaska Regional Manager                                                                                          
Teck-Pogo, Inc.                                                                                                                 
(No address provided)                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:  Gave a PowerPoint presentation regarding                                                                   
the Pogo project update.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHARLOTTE MacCAY, Senior Administrator of Environmental Affairs                                                                 
Cominco Alaska, Inc./Red Dog Mine                                                                                               
P.O. Box 1230                                                                                                                   
Kotzebue, Alaska  99752                                                                                                         
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Gave  an overview  regarding  the Red  Dog                                                               
Mine.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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TAPE 01-8, SIDE A [House Resources tape]                                                                                        
Number 0001                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JOHN  TORGERSON of the Senate  Resources Standing Committee                                                               
called  the  joint  meeting  of   the  House  Resources  Standing                                                               
Committee and  the Senate Resources  Standing Committee  to order                                                               
at  12:15  p.m.   Members  present  at  the  call to  order  were                                                               
Representatives Scalzi,  Fate, Green,  and Chenault,  and Senator                                                               
Torgerson.    Representatives  Stevens,  Kapsner,  Kerttula,  and                                                               
McGuire, and Senators  Taylor, Elton, and Lincoln  arrived as the                                                               
meeting was in progress.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0120                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
STEVEN  BORELL, Executive  Director,  Alaska Miners  Association,                                                               
Inc., reviewed the format of  the briefing and explained that the                                                               
order of the  presenters was based on how close  to completion of                                                               
their projects  they are.  He  gave a basic industry  overview on                                                               
Alaskan  minerals   [handout  available  in   committee  packet],                                                               
stating that prices  for gold, silver, and most  base metals have                                                               
remained  depressed  for  the  last  several  years.    Worldwide                                                               
exploration has  [decreased by 60 percent],  while exploration in                                                               
Alaska has only decreased by 20 percent.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BORELL  noted  that  the  two areas  in  which  the  mineral                                                               
industry  holds interest  in exploration  are Nevada  and Alaska.                                                               
He pointed out that many of  the placer miners are barely able to                                                               
pay  for  fuel  and  wages,  and some  have  "idled"  right  now,                                                               
maintaining  their permits,  until such  time as  the price  goes                                                               
back up  and they can  go back to work.   Mr. Borell  stated that                                                               
Vancouver   was  the   "real  measure   of  exploration,   almost                                                               
worldwide,"  adding  that 77  percent  of  the exploration  funds                                                               
spent in  Alaska last  year came  from Canada.   He noted  that a                                                               
couple of  "targets" had changed,  with real  interest developing                                                               
in platinum group  elements and base metals, both  of which occur                                                               
in Alaska.   He predicted  there would  be some "new  players" in                                                               
the state this year.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. BORELL  mentioned new or  renewed projects that would  not be                                                               
discussed at length  during this overview.   First, Donlin Creek,                                                               
on Calista [Corporation] Native  land, has "defined" 11.5 million                                                               
ounces  of  gold.     Mr.  Borell  defined  Donlin   Creek  as  a                                                               
significant  resource,  but  not  a  mine,  noting  that  it  had                                                               
infrastructure problems  and lack  of power in  the area  and was                                                               
not economical.   Second, Illinois  Creek, a  fully air-supported                                                               
operation  located  approximately  50  miles  south-southwest  of                                                               
Galena, was  in bankruptcy,  but is  no longer;  the goal  of the                                                               
people  there is  to mine  enough  gold to  pay for  the cost  of                                                               
bringing the mine  to closure.  He mentioned  that Illinois Creek                                                               
was  working  in  cooperation  with  the  Department  of  Natural                                                               
Resources (DNR).                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BORELL noted  two highlights  from last  year's exploration.                                                               
First, on Doyan,  Ltd. lands at Northway,  North Star Exploration                                                               
has  a lease  with  Doyon,  and has  found  "some extremely  good                                                               
intersections"  that will  lead to  additional work  in the  area                                                               
this summer.   Mr. Borell stated that a request  had been made to                                                               
the  Delta Mine  training center  to get  some more  drill-helper                                                               
training for the people at  Northway.  Second, 30 miles southwest                                                               
of  Tok and  10 miles  off  the Tok  cutoff is  a project  called                                                               
"Whitegold," which is a discovery on state lands.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. BORELL  pointed out a map,  supplied upon his request  by DNR                                                               
and  located on  the last  page of  his handout,  that shows  the                                                               
statewide geophysical/geological  mineral inventory,  with "areas                                                               
that [DNR]  has proposed for  the future."  Mr.  Borell expressed                                                               
appreciation to  the legislature  for allocating the  funds [that                                                               
make  it possible  to provide  the map].   [In  reference to  the                                                               
map],  Mr. Borell  mentioned  the interest  level  in Alaska  [in                                                               
mining] and  said, "I describe  it like 'chumming' for  fish, but                                                               
we're  'chumming' for  mining companies,  and every  year they're                                                               
sitting there  waiting, to  watch for  this new  data and  to see                                                               
what it  looks like.   And of course the  data goes on  the shelf                                                               
and is available for many years to come."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BORELL  asked the  members to pay  attention to  the upcoming                                                               
budget discussions  with DNR, reminding  them to ask  [DNR] about                                                               
the promises  it made  last year  regarding claim  processing and                                                               
the backlog of  work.  He stated his opinion  that [DNR] has done                                                               
exactly what it promised to do.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 0153                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
RON PLANTZ, Human Resources  and Safety Manager, Kennecott/Greens                                                               
Creek Mining  Company, described  Greens Creek as  an underground                                                               
poly-metallic and  surface concentrator,  operating on  only one-                                                               
half  square  mile of  the  1,500  square-mile Admiralty  Island,                                                               
south  of  Juneau.    He  showed  the  members  pictures  of  the                                                               
facility.   First was an aerial  view of the "920"  mine site, so                                                               
named for being located 920 feet  above sea level, with the entry                                                               
portal underground  and administration  buildings visible  on the                                                               
top left corner of the page.   Also on the page were depicted the                                                               
ship-loading  facility  and   the  "dry-stack"  tailings  storage                                                               
facility.   Mr.  Borell  stated that  approximately  half of  the                                                               
[Greens Creek] tailing materials go  back underground to fill the                                                               
holes that were dug, and the other  half will be used to create a                                                               
hill that will eventually be capped and reclaimed.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PLANTZ stated  that [Greens  Creek]  had a  record year  and                                                               
achieved  its budgeted  production midway  through December,  and                                                               
had a record  backfill year.  He said [Greens  Creek] completed a                                                               
$6  million  cleaner cell  project,  which  allowed for  improved                                                               
metallurgical  recovery, primarily  from  the  zinc circuit,  and                                                               
added to the profitability of  the operation; it also completed a                                                               
$2.6  million tailings  impoundment extension,  extending out  to                                                               
the boundaries of the leased land,  providing a safe place to put                                                               
tailings  for five  years.    The mine  also  completed a  public                                                               
opinion  survey  through the  McDowell  Group,  which turned  out                                                               
favorably.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. PLANTZ stated that out of  the 270 employees at Greens Creek,                                                               
85  percent  are  Alaskan-hire,  with 75  percent  of  the  total                                                               
workforce coming from the Juneau  area and 10 percent coming from                                                               
the rest  of Southeast  Alaska and the  Wasilla-Palmer area.   He                                                               
stated  that  Greens  Creek  has a  $6  million  payroll,  spends                                                               
approximately $6 million on local  contractors, gave away $15,000                                                               
in philanthropic contributions,  and spends approximately $80,000                                                               
a  year in  community-related  activities,  including "Gold  Rush                                                               
Days."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. PLANTZ  named the  mill expansion of  the cleaner  circuit as                                                               
the  major  project  for  2000,  when  Greens  Creek  also  added                                                               
floatation cells  and provided an  opportunity for  several local                                                               
contractors to work on the project.   He told the members about a                                                               
plan for  this coming year to  add a 5-megawatt generator  to the                                                               
power house  at Greens Creek,  which will provide a  much cleaner                                                               
engine,  as well  as additional  power and  productivity for  the                                                               
mill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PLANTZ  also  talked  about   an  upcoming  "payspill"  (ph)                                                               
project.   Currently,  the mine  hauls the  backfill material  in                                                               
trucks to fill up the holes  that have been dug underground.  Mr.                                                               
Plantz explained  that the  mine would be  building a  plant that                                                               
can turn  the backfill material into  a toothpaste-like material,                                                               
which  then could  be pumped  into  those holes  and hardened  in                                                               
place.    Another  project,  called  "Tails  II  permitting,"  he                                                               
described as an expansion of  Greens Creek's tailing facility "to                                                               
encompass  through the  known  reserves  - known  life  - of  the                                                               
mine."  He  added, "And we're currently  reclaiming certain areas                                                               
- old  waste piles, things like  that - as we  go, with different                                                               
types  of  capping  technology  and  doing  some  experimentation                                                               
there."   Mr.  Plantz  stated  that the  mining  operation was  a                                                               
"sustaining" one; in 2000 Greens  Creek had a $.5 million program                                                               
for underground exploration, and replaced  in reserves as much as                                                               
it took out.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PLANTZ highlighted segments of  a survey done by the McDowell                                                               
Group  [available  in the  committee  packet],  which showed  the                                                               
opinion of Juneau residents regarding  Greens Creek.  The results                                                               
showed  that 82  percent of  Juneau residents  were aware  of the                                                               
existence  of Greens  Creek, 42  percent  through the  newspaper,                                                               
followed  by "friends  and family."    In the  blind survey,  Mr.                                                               
Plantz pointed  out that Greens  Creek and Princess  Cruises were                                                               
listed as  the two  major contributors to  charity in  the Juneau                                                               
area.   He read from  the survey that  over two thirds  of Juneau                                                               
residents felt  that the mine  was doing  a "fairly good  job" of                                                               
protecting the environment.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0248                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DAN  GRAHAM,  Usibelli Coal  Mine,  Inc.,  pointed to  a  handout                                                               
summarizing  the  financial  and  environmental  impacts  of  the                                                               
Usibelli  Coal  Mine  on  Alaska   [available  in  the  committee                                                               
packet].   He  described  Usibelli Coal  Mine  as a  family-owned                                                               
company  that  has been  in  business  since 1943;  it  currently                                                               
produces 1.5  million tons of coal  a year for sale,  with a goal                                                               
of 2  million tons  in the  next year to  year and  a half.   Mr.                                                               
Graham  emphasized  that  the energy  market  is  presently  very                                                               
competitive.   He stated that  to combat the  decreasing revenues                                                               
in coal  over the last few  years, Usibelli has invested  over $8                                                               
million  in new  equipment, larger  trucks, and  new loaders  and                                                               
excavators  in  order  to improve  productivity  and  efficiency,                                                               
thereby lowering costs.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GRAHAM gave  a  PowerPoint  presentation detailing  Usibelli                                                               
Coal  Mine's  sites,  productivity,  reclamation  practices,  and                                                               
goals for  the future.   He  showed an image  of the  Poker Flats                                                               
mine, the main site in  production since 1977, showing areas that                                                               
have been reclaimed.  He stated  that Poker Flats has produced 27                                                               
million tons  of coal to  date, which  carries a value  of nearly                                                               
$.5 billion  and has "about  18 months remaining."   He mentioned                                                               
areas "six," "four," and "three" that had been mined.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRAHAM defined reclamation, as  it relates to coal mining, as                                                               
a "contemporaneous" activity:  the  company reclaims as it mines.                                                               
He described the process by  which Usibelli does aerial reseeding                                                               
and  fertilizing  on   reclaimed  areas,  planting  approximately                                                               
25,000 seedlings annually, as well  as building drainage channels                                                               
that minimize erosion.   Over the next several  years, Mr. Graham                                                               
said  Usibelli will  reclaim the  total 900  acres from  the mine                                                               
site at  a total  cost of  over $9  million.   He added  that his                                                               
personal goal is to see the job  done well enough to qualify in a                                                               
few  years'  time  as  a  candidate  for  the  governor's  annual                                                               
reclamation award.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0293                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRAHAM  showed an image  of the  next mine, called  "Two Bull                                                               
Ridge."  He explained that the  process of starting a new mine is                                                               
a  slow one:   Between  1974 and  1987, Usibelli  drove over  300                                                               
holes on the  mine site and entered them into  the database; from                                                               
1987  to  1994, Usibelli  put  its  efforts into  modeling,  mine                                                               
planning,  and design  work; in  1994, the  group moved  into the                                                               
permitting phase;  by 1996, the permit  application was completed                                                               
and submitted  to the state; and  in late 1997, it  was approved.                                                               
Mr. Graham  made note  that having  a "stable  permit atmosphere"                                                               
really helped the  company out, because its people  knew what was                                                               
expected.   The  next  step,  he said,  was  to  spend two  years                                                               
developing a  road in  the area.   In 2000,  Mr. Graham  told the                                                               
members, [Usibelli]  started developing  the "box cut"  and would                                                               
continue   "stripping"  there   for   the  next   18  months   in                                                               
anticipation of  a "drag  line" showing up.   He  mentioned 2,500                                                               
acres  and a  total permit  area with  up to  40 million  tons of                                                               
coal, and an  additional 5 millions of "waste coal."   He defined                                                               
waste  coal as  that which  does not  meet [Usibelli's]  existing                                                               
contract specification, but which can  be burned at a new project                                                               
called the Healy Clean Coal Project.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 0317                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRAHAM stated that the Healy  Clean Coal Project ran for just                                                               
over 12  months, including  a 90-day  test burn,  which surpassed                                                               
the  targeted goal  of 85  percent  availability by  an extra  10                                                               
percent, with  emissions much lower  than what was  allowed under                                                               
the permit.   He said  that although the combustion  and cleaning                                                               
technologies worked well, the question  at hand was the financial                                                               
viability of running the plant.   He stated an understanding that                                                               
AIDEA (Alaska  Industrial Development  and Export  Authority) and                                                               
Golden Valley  [Electric Association]  were close to  finishing a                                                               
study on how  to make the plant acceptable to  both parties.  Mr.                                                               
Graham said  [Usibelli] was  ready to deliver  coal to  the Healy                                                               
plant at  costs on a BTU  basis that are about  one-tenth of what                                                               
the recent gas prices have been in the Lower 48.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRAHAM highlighted another permit  called the Rosalie Mine, a                                                               
"re-mining" of an old mine that's  the old town site of Usibelli,                                                               
off the Healy Valley.  He said it  had been mined in the '50s and                                                               
'60s and was abandoned in the  '70s.  Mr. Graham told the members                                                               
that after  the high-grade coal which  had been left in  the area                                                               
was mined, the plan was to  "reclaim" the town site and work with                                                               
DNR's  Division of  Mining, Land  and Water  and with  the Alaska                                                               
Department of Fish  & Game (ADF&G) to create a  lake that will be                                                               
used for recreation and fishing.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GRAHAM mentioned  another mine  site  called Wishbone  Hill,                                                               
located near Palmer and Sutton.   He described it as a "high-cost                                                               
producer"  and said  testing and  "permit activities"  were being                                                               
done to  try to reduce  the cost of  mining.  In  conclusion, Mr.                                                               
Graham pointed  to four  new lease blocks  called the  Jumbo Dome                                                               
leases, which he predicted would  cover energy needs for the next                                                               
ten years or more.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0354                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
TOM IRWIN,  General Manager,  Fort Knox  Mine, gave  a PowerPoint                                                               
presentation illustrating many points  from his handout [included                                                               
in  the committee  packet].    He stated  that  the  mine had  91                                                               
percent  local hire.   He  mentioned making  it through  the year                                                               
with  zero  loss  and presently  having  over  900,000  man-hours                                                               
through January.  Mr. Irwin stated  there have been no notices of                                                               
alleged  violation on  the property  since  the mine  began.   He                                                               
mentioned a  record run-time of  95.1 percent and  nearly 363,000                                                               
ounces [of  gold] at $203 per  ounce, and emphasized the  need to                                                               
keep the separation  between the price of gold  and the operation                                                               
costs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  IRWIN showed  an image  of  the new  $3.4 million  hydraulic                                                               
excavator  and two  out of  nine of  the 150-ton  trucks, and  he                                                               
stated, "We're still  in manual bypass loading."   He also showed                                                               
images of  award-winning reclaimed wetlands that  his company had                                                               
reseeded,  and thanked  ADF&G for  its support  in that  program.                                                               
The  members were  shown  other pictures  of  reclaimed areas  as                                                               
well:   a 3,500-acre water  reservoir downstream from  a tailings                                                               
facility; several  thousand "catchable" [Arctic] grayling  in the                                                               
reservoir, which were doing well,  according to studies by ADF&G;                                                               
and several  thousand "catchable" burbot.   He said  the estimate                                                               
this year  for Arctic grayling  in the wetlands  is approximately                                                               
one million fry.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. IRWIN stated  that when Fort Knox first  began operation, the                                                               
price  of gold  was in  the $371-an-ounce  range and  has dropped                                                               
considerably; 32  percent of  the value  was "the  bottom point."                                                               
He pointed  out that  nothing could  be done  about the  price of                                                               
gold,  so  the  company  at  Fort Knox  was  focused  on  staying                                                               
competitive and  not counting on  the price  going up.   He said,                                                               
"We're  here for  the  sustainability  and the  long  haul."   He                                                               
mentioned the  relation between  the changing  cost per  ounce of                                                               
gold and the  company's operating costs and stated  that what the                                                               
company  is doing  about the  situation is  a "project  like True                                                               
North."  Mr.  Irwin explained that by mixing  the lower-grade ore                                                               
with the  higher-grade ore from  True North, it raises  the grade                                                               
to  average.   He mentioned  remaining under  $200 per  ounce and                                                               
getting 10,000 tons  a day from True North and  30,000 tons a day                                                               
from Fort Knox.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. IRWIN  stated that his  predecessors were  considering mining                                                               
and milling  at True North.   Current management  considered that                                                               
option,  but decided  there  would  be much  less  impact on  the                                                               
environment if True  North was used for mining only  and the Fort                                                               
Knox  facilities  were  used  for  the  other  processes  in  the                                                               
operation.   He showed  locations such as  Cleary Summit  and the                                                               
Steese Highway  and explained that  an extra million  dollars was                                                               
spent to construct  about 9.8 miles of road,  including a bridge,                                                               
in order to create the least  amount of impact to residents using                                                               
the Steese Highway.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  IRWIN said  [the  Fairbanks Gold  Mining  Company] would  be                                                               
mining the Hindenburg and East  pits, spending another $2 million                                                               
this year "for sustainability."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 0444                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  LINCOLN asked  how many  acres comprise  [the Hindenburg                                                               
and East  pits] combined  and how  many acres  are on  "the other                                                               
sites."                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  IRWIN  estimated  1,500  to 2,000  acres  and  7,700  acres,                                                               
respectively.    He  talked  about  routes  to  True  North,  and                                                               
complimented the  people of the  Mental Health Land  Trust Office                                                               
for  their involvement  in planning  the road  locations in  that                                                               
area.  In closure, Mr. Irwin  showed images of what the valley in                                                               
Fort Knox  looked like in  1992 and present-day.   In conclusion,                                                               
he  mentioned the  operation  of  True North  and  the intent  to                                                               
continue to maintain the environment.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0473                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
KARL HANNEMAN,  Alaska Regional Manager, Teck-Pogo,  Inc., gave a                                                               
PowerPoint  presentation   regarding  the  Pogo   project  update                                                               
[handout available  in committee  packet].   He told  the members                                                               
that Pogo  is located approximately  35 miles northeast  of Delta                                                               
Junction in  Interior Alaska.   He listed the  partners involved:                                                               
Sumitomo, a  major, 700-year-old,  worldwide mining  company; and                                                               
Teck Corporation,  a Vancouver-based  company with  11 operations                                                               
worldwide.   Mr.  Hanneman  outlined the  various  phases of  the                                                               
operation that were completed:   surface exploration, underground                                                               
exploration,  and  an  environmental assessment  and  feasibility                                                               
study.   He  explained  that  the company  was  currently in  the                                                               
permitting  phase.    Still ahead  would  be  mine  construction,                                                               
operation of the mine, and then reclamation and closure.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. HANNEMAN stated that Pogo  would be an underground gold mine;                                                               
he showed  a picture  depicting 12-  to 15-foot-thick  gold veins                                                               
that were  identified by surface drilling.   He pointed to  a 3-D                                                               
model  of the  two  gold veins,  which  together have  identified                                                               
about 5.6  million ounces of  gold.   He explained that  once the                                                               
resource was  identified, the company drove  a tunnel underground                                                               
to find  out engineering  information such  as rock  strength and                                                               
water inflows.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. HANNEMAN showed  a plan view of the tunnel,  which was driven                                                               
beginning March 1999,  about one mile in length.   He said a road                                                               
had to be constructed in order  to access the work on the tunnel,                                                               
a 50-man camp  was made, and specialty mining  equipment work was                                                               
done under Pogo Ridge.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. HANNEMAN  detailed the concept  for building a mine  at Pogo:                                                               
First, they would build a shaft,  so that the mill facility would                                                               
be established on top of the  ridge, with a "virtual shaft" going                                                               
down to  access the ore.   Next, they would  raise the ore  up to                                                               
that  mill and  crush and  grind  it to  recover the  gold.   Mr.                                                               
Hanneman mentioned replacing  (indisc.) back underground, similar                                                               
to  Greens Creek.   To  support  the project,  Mr. Hanneman  said                                                               
Teck-Pogo  is proposing  an all-season  access road  and a  power                                                               
line, which  will enable the workers  to haul in the  35,000 tons                                                               
of cement, fuel, and supplies necessary  to support the mine.  He                                                               
estimated the  annual gold  production would be  about 15  tons a                                                               
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0529                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN asked how much power was used.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HANNEMAN answered approximately 10  million watts.  He showed                                                               
a computer  rendering of how  the facility would  look, including                                                               
the mill and camp on top of  Pogo Ridge, the access road, and the                                                               
storage  area for  surplus tailings.   Mr.  Hanneman stated  that                                                               
although the facility was 50  miles from the nearest access road,                                                               
it would  be better  situated there  than in  other parts  of the                                                               
state.  He  discussed a proposed all-season route  along what was                                                               
called the Shaw Creek hillside route.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. HANNEMAN  addressed reclamation issues by  stating that Teck-                                                               
Pogo's mine planning was heavily  geared towards making sure that                                                               
the mine  would be closed  properly at  conclusion.  He  told the                                                               
members  that  the total  projected  capital  cost for  the  Pogo                                                               
project  would be  $200-250 million,  with  an annual  production                                                               
cost of $125  million, $540 [million] for two  years to construct                                                               
the mine, and $300 [million] to operate  it.  He said the mine is                                                               
predicted to run for about 12 years.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HANNEMAN   said  Teck-Pogo   is  currently   undergoing  the                                                               
permitting  process; the  EPA  [Environmental Protection  Agency]                                                               
had begun the  EIS [Environmental Impact Statement]  as of August                                                               
2000, with  the cooperation of  the U.S. Army Corps  of Engineers                                                               
and  the State  of  Alaska.   He stated  that  with an  efficient                                                               
permitting process,  the EIS process  could be completed  by next                                                               
winter.    He  said  Teck-Pogo   is  finalizing  its  feasibility                                                               
studies.  In regard to the  draft [of the EIS], Mr. Hanneman said                                                               
public comment was expected.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0557                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHARLOTTE MacCAY,  Senior Administrator of  Environmental Affairs                                                               
for Cominco  Alaska Inc./Red  Dog Mine, gave  an overview  of the                                                               
handout [available  in the  committee packet].   She  stated that                                                               
Red  Dog is  the  world's  largest zinc  mine;  the next  largest                                                               
deposit, in Australia,  is half as large.  She  said the main pit                                                               
holds 42  million tons,  while the  one adjacent  to it  holds 56                                                               
million tons.   Additionally, resources  are still  being defined                                                               
that add  up to another  50 million  tons.  Ms.  MacCay described                                                               
Red Dog  as a district, rather  than a mine, because  the company                                                               
is investing  $3.5 million into  mineral exploration  this summer                                                               
[2001] at  three new sites.   She added that, at  this point, the                                                               
sites  have great  potential, but  they present  metallurgical or                                                               
infrastructure  obstacles  to be  overcome  in  order to  develop                                                               
development plans.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MacCAY explained  that people  don't develop  mines in  such                                                               
remote   situations   without    infrastructure,   "unless   it's                                                               
spectacular."    She  said a  partnership  with  "NANA"  Regional                                                               
Corporation,  Inc.   and  support  from  AIDEA   in  funding  and                                                               
infrastructure have made  the Red Dog Mine possible.   Ms. MacCay                                                               
cited  the reasons  that NANA  selected Red  Dog as  its partner:                                                               
Red  Dog's  expertise  in  mining   and  its  commitment  to  the                                                               
community.    She stated  that  Red  Dog has  a  shareholder-hire                                                               
preference, presently  at 60 percent,  and is working  on raising                                                               
that  percentage  by   offering  scholarship  programs,  location                                                               
training, on-site apprenticeship, and job shadowing.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MacCAY  stated  that  Red  Dog  Mine  is  a  major  economic                                                               
influence  on the  region.   The  average  wage is  approximately                                                               
$71,000 a year.   She pointed out that before  Red Dog was there,                                                               
the  average borough  wage was  far  below the  state average  of                                                               
about $33,000.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MacCAY announced  that Red  Dog  Mine is  "exploring on  the                                                               
prospect and the  potential to replace our 18  million gallons of                                                               
diesel consumption with  natural gas."  She  explained that there                                                               
are shale  beds within ten  miles of  the mine, which  she stated                                                               
the  people of  Red Dog  believe could  probably be  developed to                                                               
provide natural  gas, once a  permit has been obtained  to pursue                                                               
that activity.   She mentioned  the possibility of  supplying gas                                                               
to  villages,  whose  power  bills   rival  those  of  California                                                               
residents.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 01-8, SIDE B                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. MacCAY  stated that another  potential way to help  the local                                                               
villages  with fuel  would  be  to utilize  the  port  site as  a                                                               
distribution center for  fuel to the region.   She explained that                                                               
"the two  boroughs" combined would have  much greater negotiating                                                               
power  to buy  fuel  in bulk.    She said  there  are 15  million                                                               
gallons of  fuel storage at  "that port,"  and "if we  convert to                                                               
gas, we won't need  most of that - it would  be available for the                                                               
region."   The  fuel could  be barged  into Red  Dog, Ms.  MacCay                                                               
said; however, an airstrip would  be needed at that port facility                                                               
in order to  distribute [the fuel] to the region.   She mentioned                                                               
Department  of   Transportation  and  Public   Facilities  monies                                                               
available to fund  a feasibility study for that.   She stated the                                                               
intent to  move the funds and  get them allocated to  AIDEA for a                                                               
feasibility  study in  time for  the next  allocation of  federal                                                               
monies  in July  2001.   She listed  the benefits  of having  the                                                               
airstrip at the  port site:  getting fuel into  the villages at a                                                               
much lower cost, freeing space  once used to store fuel, bringing                                                               
in  a spill  contractor  much faster  if there  is  a spill,  and                                                               
increasing accessibility  for Red  Dog when  its own  airstrip is                                                               
weathered in, among others.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. MacCAY stated that the economic  impacts of Red Dog have been                                                               
numerous;  it spent  over  $150 million  on  Alaskan vendors  and                                                               
services  in 2000.   She  said direct  wages to  Cominco [Alaska]                                                               
employees  were over  $14 million,  and she  mentioned transport,                                                               
catering,  and  housekeeping  services.    Ms.  MacCay  told  the                                                               
members [Cominco Alaska]  pays the following:   over $2.4 million                                                               
in the mining  license tax to the state; over  $6 million to NANA                                                               
in leases and  royalties; over $10 million in  payments to AIDEA,                                                               
which go  to the state  general fund; and  $4 million in  lieu of                                                               
taxes  to  the [Northwest  Arctic]  Borough,  which supports  the                                                               
school system  in that  area.   She said that  Red Dog  lost $150                                                               
million in  operating costs, but  has begun  to make a  profit in                                                               
the last  few years; while the  profit for 2000 was  $75 million,                                                               
the remaining debt is $968 million.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. MacCAY  stated that the people  at Red Dog like  to strive to                                                               
be an  environmental model.   Streams  in the  area that  held no                                                               
fish before  the existence of the  mine now have fish  because of                                                               
the  mine's  process  of  collecting  the  naturally  mineralized                                                               
water, using it, and treating it  to much cleaner standards.  She                                                               
pointed  out  the following  ways  that  the people  at  [Cominco                                                               
Alaska]  are working  toward reasonable  regulations:   They  are                                                               
supporting the  motorized transport oil spill  regulations, which                                                               
they believe to be both  feasible and effective; they are working                                                               
with   the  Department   of  Environmental   Conservation  (DEC),                                                               
reviewing  some  proposed  ambient  air boundaries  that  are  of                                                               
concern to the  company; they are presently in  the Ninth Circuit                                                               
Court of  Appeals, involved in  a joint  suit by DEC  and Cominco                                                               
[Alaska]  against  the   EPA  (Environmental  Protection  Agency)                                                               
regarding  the  state's  authority   to  make  decisions  in  air                                                               
permitting  which   would  be  recognized  by   EPA  without  its                                                               
interference.  She  added that oral arguments would  be next week                                                               
and that a decision should be out in a few months.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0539                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   TAYLOR  asked   Mr.  Plantz   how  many   megawatts  of                                                               
electricity were being used at Greens  Creek.  He stated that the                                                               
huge  need for  energy  should be  considered  when studying  the                                                               
mineral industry.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. PLANTZ answered, 6.8 on the island.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TAYLOR asked what the  economic impact of the legislation                                                               
passed was  on Mr. Plantz's  facility, stating that he  could not                                                               
recall whether it was 12 full hours, or just 10.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. PLANTZ replied it was  the legislation from 1996 that allowed                                                               
10 hours at  the base, which resulted in  approximately an 11-to-                                                               
12-percent improvement in efficiency.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TAYLOR  stated that it  was a significant  controversy in                                                               
the legislature  at the time,  and "it's policy calls  like that,                                                               
that  make  some  of  these   projects  feasible,  where  they'll                                                               
actually operate  and continue  to work."   He explained  that he                                                               
had brought  the subject  up not just  because of  the California                                                               
energy crisis,  but because [Alaska] has  significant reserves of                                                               
power in  the Rail Belt  that will  reach to Fairbanks  and other                                                               
areas.  He said one of the reasons  that the mine at Fort Knox is                                                               
operating today is  because of some of the  power generation that                                                               
has been done.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0520                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN stated  his recollection that the  Rosalie Mine had                                                               
been abandoned and  asked Mr. Graham if that could  be a prospect                                                               
for using a Senate bill passed several years ago.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRAHAM answered  that [Usibelli] has an  application ready to                                                               
submit  for  that, and  DNR  would  "determine  that."   He  said                                                               
[Usibelli] has  submitted applications  on other  properties that                                                               
weren't accepted  "because they were already  near the permitting                                                               
phase."                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0513                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  LINCOLN asked  Mr. Hanneman  to  comment on  the use  of                                                               
technology in  relation to environmental  concerns, both  now and                                                               
in the future.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. HANNEMAN responded that with  respect to planning a mine, all                                                               
the geological information is put on a computer database as a 3-                                                                
D model,  so that  the model can  be built "in  real space."   He                                                               
said  technology is  used  in training  at  the universities;  he                                                               
commented on  the support  from the  legislators in  that regard.                                                               
Mr. Hanneman  told the  members about  the use  of remote-control                                                               
vehicles  run   from  the   surface  during   mining  operations,                                                               
concluding that what a mine looks  like and how it is operated is                                                               
changing rapidly.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0486                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FATE  asked Mr. Borell  if growth  revenue reports                                                               
on  the entire  mineral industry,  exclusive of  the oil  and gas                                                               
industry, were available.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BORELL  answered  that  the  numbers  on  an  annual  report                                                               
produced by the State of Alaska  last year combined the totals of                                                               
exploration, development,  and production; he recalled  that last                                                               
year was the  fifth consecutive year that the  total equaled over                                                               
$1 billion.  He added that  the mines represented [at the present                                                               
hearing] made the largest contribution to [that total].                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0478                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KERTTULA  asked  the presenters  if  the  state's                                                               
technology was keeping pace with that of the industry.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BORELL responded  that DNR  has made  incredible strides  in                                                               
automating the paperwork  process and that both DNR  and DEC have                                                               
always been willing to get a  third party to provide expertise in                                                               
any area where it's lacking.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KERTTULA   inquired  who   would  pay   for  that                                                               
expertise.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0460                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. IRWIN  stated that True  North just completed  its permitting                                                               
process, and  the individuals  at DNR very  capably kept  up with                                                               
"masses of  data."  He  encouraged [the legislators]  to continue                                                               
their  support  of  DNR  in  its efforts  to  keep  up  with  the                                                               
technology, adding that the people  in DNR, who spend many nights                                                               
and weekends to keep up with the work, deserve that support.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0452                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GREEN  asked  a  question  regarding  mine  sites                                                               
finding  sources  of  energy and  sharing  those  [sources]  with                                                               
nearby communities.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. MacCAY replied  that it would take a greater  demand than two                                                               
villages  combined would  have, to  actually do  production at  a                                                               
village.  She mentioned a hope  of developing more shale gas.  In                                                               
response  to a  follow-up question  by Representative  Green, she                                                               
said  that  there  was  no  negative  [response]  concerning  his                                                               
suggestion; in fact,  her company is very excited  about the idea                                                               
and would like to provide a model that others can emulate.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committees, the joint                                                                
meeting of the House Resources Standing Committee and the Senate                                                                
Resources Standing Committee was adjourned at 1:17 p.m.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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